Friday, August 12, 2005

Preparing for the Monsoon?

On the other hand, it looks like the Catholic Church is hedging its bets on the resilliancy of European civilization. It looks like they are starting to save up for the next round of the Dark Ages:

Yet the new pontiff is also a man of great patience. He had gone to Subiaco to receive an award and to speak about Saint Benedict of Nurcia, who founded his monastic order there in the sixth century. Ratzinger has argued that in the bleak European landscape of faithlessness today, as in the Dark Ages, "the Church herself must form cells" to wait for the light—and work toward it for centuries—just as the Benedictines did.

Dickey, Christopher. "Near 'The Edge of the Abyss'." 15 Aug. 2005 edition. Newsweek (Online Edition). 11 Aug 2005. <>

If the dark ages come to Europe, they will probably resemble in some ways the Moghul oppression India went through. If that happens, the bad news is that technology might help make a potential dark age considerably more darker. The good news is that it is possible to whether it, as India had done for centuries. Who knows--things might have to get worse before they get better. . .


Blogger Baron Bodissey said...

The light will, we hope, shine on for a little longer in America. America is much more fecund than Europe, and the Christian faith is strong.

But if the secular elite have their way, we will gladly dance our way into the darkness alongside the Europeans.

5:54 AM, August 12, 2005  
Blogger sissyblue said...

Hi there, I saw your link on "Gates of Vienna" so thought I'd add you to my list of bloggers:>) Are you blogging from India, or rather Indian descent? I'm trying to get views from all over the world. Your blog page looks great!

6:26 AM, August 12, 2005  
Blogger sissyblue said...

Oh, there was one more thing. I don't know much about Indian history, but it seems of all the different peoples, the Indian people have been the least aggressive. Even when it came to throwing off the cloak of colonialism, it was done without much bloodshed. Is that a fair statement? Just curious.

6:28 AM, August 12, 2005  
Blogger krishna_kirti said...

Baron, Thank you for blogrolling me.

I just finished George Weigel's The Cube and the Cathedral, and it seems to me that his theological analysis probably the best predictor of what is to come. I think he is right that the existence of the West depends on the existence of Christendom. One point Weigel makes is that Pluralism is a cultural achievement, not a fact of society. I highly recommend that book for insights into the West's predicament.

With respect to social pluralism, India and West have a lot in common as they both highly value plurality. Yet if there is some lesson from Indian history is that plurality also requires a significant degree of cultural and ideological conformity at the level of society. Although Hindus and Muslims were quite different in their scriptures and theology, their social customs and expectations were quite homogenous.

8:12 AM, August 12, 2005  
Blogger krishna_kirti said...

Hi, sissyblue. I'm not in India, though I spent many years there. Ethnically, I'm not Indian. I'm a convert to Hinduism through the Hare Krishna Movement. (See my introduction.)

I think there was a significant amount of bloodshed, though much of it between Hindus and Muslims. The threat of widespread violent uprising was an incentive for the British to leave India. The army of Jagadish Chandra Bose was a fact of the times. The British were intelligent to get out of India when they did. I don't think Gandhi's movement alone would have been sufficient to make the British give up India.

8:17 AM, August 12, 2005  
Blogger PD111 said...

Nice looking blog. It is easy on the eye, and this is welcome, as I spend quite a bit of time in front of the screen.

Along with India, there is another ancient civilisation that suffered greatly due the depradations of Islamic invaders. This is the sister Zoroastrian civilisation of Persia. Though badly wounded, India survived the onslaught but the ancient civilisation of Persia was scattered to the winds.

Yet now, there is a movement in Iran and the West to resurrect this ancient civilisation. This has come about as many Iranians increasingly see the true face of islam. In addition they see islam as an invader culture that destroyed their culture and even their language. Iran I believe is one of the corner stones of islam. It was the first civilisation to be destroyed by islam. If islam falls in Iran, it will set the bells tolling for islam, and no amount of calls from the mezzuen will bring the faithful.

I hope to see a wide spectrum of bloggers that will bring down the anti-human culture of islam. The spectrum to range from the Buddhist- Zoroastrian-Hindu-Sikh-Christian -gaypride-feminist-humanist-secular.

We need to form a coalition of the willing, so to speak.

5:00 AM, August 13, 2005  
Blogger krishna_kirti said...

PD111 said: "Yet now, there is a movement in Iran and the West to resurrect this ancient civilisation."

Hmmmm. Can you provide some links or references for this resurection of Zoroastrianism?

In India, where the Zoroastrians are free to practice their religion, the Zoroastrians (called Parsis) do not allow others to become Parsis. Their belief is that after the age of 8 if one has not performed the navjote ceremony, you cannot become a Parsi. AFAIK anyone from a non-Parsi family who performs the ceremony appropriately may perform this ceremony, but people who are not in Parsi families generally don't do this.

Indira Gandhi was the daughter of Nehru, and not a Parsi, but she married a Parsi. The Parsis, however, wouldn't let her come into their temples, and there were no prospects for her conversion.

6:59 AM, August 13, 2005  
Blogger PD111 said...


I have been having an ongoing discussion over several years with a Parsi friend, as to why Z's do not accept Iranians who wish to leave islam and go back to their ancient religion. This came about because many Iranians in LA were showing keen interest in Z. His answer was that Parsis were suspicious of any who showed an interest, in the belief that conversion was motivated by financial or some other base motives. In India, I believe the Parsis made a promise to a Hindu King, when they first arrived in India, that they would never engage in trying to convert Hindus to Z. They have kept that promise.

My counter-argument was, that in this war, when the enemy is engaging in conversion at a frenetic rate, we could not afford to turn down those who wish to be on our side, no matter what side they wished to go to, as long as it was away from islam. Anyway, some months ago, I was sent this by the same Z friend of mine

How Konstantin became Farrokh

It seems that Iranian Z's do indeed accept converts.

3:31 PM, August 13, 2005  

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